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Europe Criminalizing Americans
Feb. 28th, 2007 04:28 pm♠
An Italian court announced this month that it is moving forward with the indictment and trial of 25 CIA agents charged with kidnapping a radical Muslim cleric. These proceedings may well violate international law, but the case serves as a wake-up call to the United States. Overseas opponents of American foreign policy are increasingly turning to judicial proceedings against individual American officials as a means of reformulating or frustrating U.S. aims, and action to arrest this development is needed.
-- David B. Rivkin Jr. and Lee A. Casey for The Washington Post
Rivkin and Casey take on the issue of European judicial indictments and prosecutions of American officials, arguing that the United States may need to respond in kind to such political demonstrations:
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An Italian court announced this month that it is moving forward with the indictment and trial of 25 CIA agents charged with kidnapping a radical Muslim cleric. These proceedings may well violate international law, but the case serves as a wake-up call to the United States. Overseas opponents of American foreign policy are increasingly turning to judicial proceedings against individual American officials as a means of reformulating or frustrating U.S. aims, and action to arrest this development is needed.
-- David B. Rivkin Jr. and Lee A. Casey for The Washington Post
Rivkin and Casey take on the issue of European judicial indictments and prosecutions of American officials, arguing that the United States may need to respond in kind to such political demonstrations:
Accordingly, Congress should make it a crime to initiate or maintain a prosecution against American officials if the proceeding itself otherwise violates accepted international legal norms. Thus, in instances where there is a clear case of immunity, U.S. prosecutors could answer proceedings such as the Italian indictments with criminal proceedings in U.S. courts. By responding in kind, even if few overreaching foreign officials are ever actually tried, such a law would create a powerful disincentive for these kinds of legal antics.I was a bit confused about these European judicial moves as well as the CIA operations provoking these legal moves. Rivkin and Lee make the reassuring arguement that there was a legal basis for these CIA renditions of suspected terrorists:
Yet the United States must still vigorously resist the prosecution of its indicted agents. If they acted with the knowledge and consent of the Italian government (as The Post's Dana Priest reported in 2005), they are immune from criminal prosecution in that country.They really need to restrain their anti-Americanism and keep it legal. They would be more helpful focusing their energies on, say, terrorists, instead of fretting over their penis envy.
... The initiation of judicial proceedings against individual Americans is too attractive a means of striking at the United States -- and one often not subject to control by the relevant foreign government.
Europe Criminalizing Americans
Feb. 28th, 2007 04:28 pm♠
An Italian court announced this month that it is moving forward with the indictment and trial of 25 CIA agents charged with kidnapping a radical Muslim cleric. These proceedings may well violate international law, but the case serves as a wake-up call to the United States. Overseas opponents of American foreign policy are increasingly turning to judicial proceedings against individual American officials as a means of reformulating or frustrating U.S. aims, and action to arrest this development is needed.
-- David B. Rivkin Jr. and Lee A. Casey for The Washington Post
Rivkin and Casey take on the issue of European judicial indictments and prosecutions of American officials, arguing that the United States may need to respond in kind to such political demonstrations:
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An Italian court announced this month that it is moving forward with the indictment and trial of 25 CIA agents charged with kidnapping a radical Muslim cleric. These proceedings may well violate international law, but the case serves as a wake-up call to the United States. Overseas opponents of American foreign policy are increasingly turning to judicial proceedings against individual American officials as a means of reformulating or frustrating U.S. aims, and action to arrest this development is needed.
-- David B. Rivkin Jr. and Lee A. Casey for The Washington Post
Rivkin and Casey take on the issue of European judicial indictments and prosecutions of American officials, arguing that the United States may need to respond in kind to such political demonstrations:
Accordingly, Congress should make it a crime to initiate or maintain a prosecution against American officials if the proceeding itself otherwise violates accepted international legal norms. Thus, in instances where there is a clear case of immunity, U.S. prosecutors could answer proceedings such as the Italian indictments with criminal proceedings in U.S. courts. By responding in kind, even if few overreaching foreign officials are ever actually tried, such a law would create a powerful disincentive for these kinds of legal antics.I was a bit confused about these European judicial moves as well as the CIA operations provoking these legal moves. Rivkin and Lee make the reassuring arguement that there was a legal basis for these CIA renditions of suspected terrorists:
Yet the United States must still vigorously resist the prosecution of its indicted agents. If they acted with the knowledge and consent of the Italian government (as The Post's Dana Priest reported in 2005), they are immune from criminal prosecution in that country.They really need to restrain their anti-Americanism and keep it legal. They would be more helpful focusing their energies on, say, terrorists, instead of fretting over their penis envy.
... The initiation of judicial proceedings against individual Americans is too attractive a means of striking at the United States -- and one often not subject to control by the relevant foreign government.
The Hostel for All Your Anti-American Fun
Feb. 26th, 2007 09:06 pm♠
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ohnotheydidnt, they announced that "Hostel 2" is coming out. The discussion revolved around how it was just tits and gore, and it is does carry Quentin Tarantino's endorsement. The feminist-minded condemnation only made me more curious (and they really hate thin women there). I went to Amazon to find out about the first "Hostel."
Judging by the reviews on that page, the flick is about some Americans who go on a pleasure trip to Europe and wind up in hell (and I don't mean France):
On top of being a Tits & Ass fest, this is a gore film. These wild Slovak babes sell Americans to another sort of pleasure resort where people pay to be able to torture and murder them. As one of the reviewers describe it:
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Sources
1. Oh No They Didn't!
2. Amazon.com
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ohnotheydidnt, they announced that "Hostel 2" is coming out. The discussion revolved around how it was just tits and gore, and it is does carry Quentin Tarantino's endorsement. The feminist-minded condemnation only made me more curious (and they really hate thin women there). I went to Amazon to find out about the first "Hostel."Judging by the reviews on that page, the flick is about some Americans who go on a pleasure trip to Europe and wind up in hell (and I don't mean France):
To sum it up, the two guys are pretty much meat heads. They are only interested in having sex, doing drugs and, errr...well, having sex. It's basically because of the trio's sex-starved minds that leads them straight to Slovakia, where someone mentions you can pretty much "TAKE" whatever woman you want and do "WHATEVER YOU WANT TO THEM" when you get them.How many young, red-blooded American men are not going to be drawn by that?!
On top of being a Tits & Ass fest, this is a gore film. These wild Slovak babes sell Americans to another sort of pleasure resort where people pay to be able to torture and murder them. As one of the reviewers describe it:
Lots of extreme gore and brutality ensue in what I would consider to be one of the most DISGUSTING films I have ever seen. I am NOT a connoisseur of horror or gore, but this movie really made me flinch and feel sick. I couldn't help but feel dirty after I finished watching this movie! There are scenes where fingers are chopped off with excruciatingly gory results, achiles tendons are sliced open and left gaping to the viewers mortified sight, eye balls are pulled out and left hanging on a screaming victims head only to be snipped off with a scissor (the snipped off eye ball oozing cream colored puss was the most disgusting thing I have ever seen), a guy is gagged with one of those S&M type ball-gag devices and he continually vomits and chokes on it, Throats are slit, body parts are chopped...hell, there is even a scene where a gang of what appears to be kids under the ages of 10 stomp in and crush two "bad guys" heads.The main reason why I am blogging this movie is this note by the Amazon.com review:
The sardonic joke, of course, is that Americans are worth the most in this brothel of blood because everyone else in the world wants to take revenge upon them.I thought this was noteworthy. I had never heard of this movie. I suspect Texas does not allow them, or at least not this far down south in Texas, even without the anti-American element. More disappointing is that it does not even make the premium cable channels these days. I am not that interested in seeing the movie, but I would not mind catching it on Cinemax some night, if they could forgo being so bland and safe in their offerings.
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Sources
1. Oh No They Didn't!
2. Amazon.com
The Hostel for All Your Anti-American Fun
Feb. 26th, 2007 09:06 pm♠
Atohnotheydidnt, they announced that "Hostel 2" is coming out. The discussion revolved around how it was just tits and gore, and it is does carry Quentin Tarantino's endorsement. The feminist-minded condemnation only made me more curious (and they really hate thin women there). I went to Amazon to find out about the first "Hostel."
Judging by the reviews on that page, the flick is about some Americans who go on a pleasure trip to Europe and wind up in hell (and I don't mean France):
On top of being a Tits & Ass fest, this is a gore film. These wild Slovak babes sell Americans to another sort of pleasure resort where people pay to be able to torture and murder them. As one of the reviewers describe it:
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Sources
1. Oh No They Didn't!
2. Amazon.com
xXx
At
ohnotheydidnt, they announced that "Hostel 2" is coming out. The discussion revolved around how it was just tits and gore, and it is does carry Quentin Tarantino's endorsement. The feminist-minded condemnation only made me more curious (and they really hate thin women there). I went to Amazon to find out about the first "Hostel."Judging by the reviews on that page, the flick is about some Americans who go on a pleasure trip to Europe and wind up in hell (and I don't mean France):
To sum it up, the two guys are pretty much meat heads. They are only interested in having sex, doing drugs and, errr...well, having sex. It's basically because of the trio's sex-starved minds that leads them straight to Slovakia, where someone mentions you can pretty much "TAKE" whatever woman you want and do "WHATEVER YOU WANT TO THEM" when you get them.How many young, red-blooded American men are not going to be drawn by that?!
On top of being a Tits & Ass fest, this is a gore film. These wild Slovak babes sell Americans to another sort of pleasure resort where people pay to be able to torture and murder them. As one of the reviewers describe it:
Lots of extreme gore and brutality ensue in what I would consider to be one of the most DISGUSTING films I have ever seen. I am NOT a connoisseur of horror or gore, but this movie really made me flinch and feel sick. I couldn't help but feel dirty after I finished watching this movie! There are scenes where fingers are chopped off with excruciatingly gory results, achiles tendons are sliced open and left gaping to the viewers mortified sight, eye balls are pulled out and left hanging on a screaming victims head only to be snipped off with a scissor (the snipped off eye ball oozing cream colored puss was the most disgusting thing I have ever seen), a guy is gagged with one of those S&M type ball-gag devices and he continually vomits and chokes on it, Throats are slit, body parts are chopped...hell, there is even a scene where a gang of what appears to be kids under the ages of 10 stomp in and crush two "bad guys" heads.The main reason why I am blogging this movie is this note by the Amazon.com review:
The sardonic joke, of course, is that Americans are worth the most in this brothel of blood because everyone else in the world wants to take revenge upon them.I thought this was noteworthy. I had never heard of this movie. I suspect Texas does not allow them, or at least not this far down south in Texas, even without the anti-American element. More disappointing is that it does not even make the premium cable channels these days. I am not that interested in seeing the movie, but I would not mind catching it on Cinemax some night, if they could forgo being so bland and safe in their offerings.
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Sources
1. Oh No They Didn't!
2. Amazon.com
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“If you want your 15 minutes of fame, what better place to get it than the rostrum of the General Assembly?” he said. “I think very often they are playing for the domestic audience and trying to build up their persona as a tough guy not afraid to take on the Yankee superpower.”
-- Warren Hoge for The NY Times
Here is some historical context for last week's colorful performances at the UN. I only hope that a new precedent has not been founded for yet broader purposes, and that future despots will not start promoting their own consumer goods, such as that stylish line of summer wear or custom-made furniture. I think oil is enough, and you don't need a hard sell.
( Hoge article )
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“If you want your 15 minutes of fame, what better place to get it than the rostrum of the General Assembly?” he said. “I think very often they are playing for the domestic audience and trying to build up their persona as a tough guy not afraid to take on the Yankee superpower.”
-- Warren Hoge for The NY Times
Here is some historical context for last week's colorful performances at the UN. I only hope that a new precedent has not been founded for yet broader purposes, and that future despots will not start promoting their own consumer goods, such as that stylish line of summer wear or custom-made furniture. I think oil is enough, and you don't need a hard sell.
( Hoge article )
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“If you want your 15 minutes of fame, what better place to get it than the rostrum of the General Assembly?” he said. “I think very often they are playing for the domestic audience and trying to build up their persona as a tough guy not afraid to take on the Yankee superpower.”
-- Warren Hoge for The NY Times
Here is some historical context for last week's colorful performances at the UN. I only hope that a new precedent has not been founded for yet broader purposes, and that future despots will not start promoting their own consumer goods, such as that stylish line of summer wear or custom-made furniture. I think oil is enough, and you don't need a hard sell.
( Hoge article )
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“If you want your 15 minutes of fame, what better place to get it than the rostrum of the General Assembly?” he said. “I think very often they are playing for the domestic audience and trying to build up their persona as a tough guy not afraid to take on the Yankee superpower.”
-- Warren Hoge for The NY Times
Here is some historical context for last week's colorful performances at the UN. I only hope that a new precedent has not been founded for yet broader purposes, and that future despots will not start promoting their own consumer goods, such as that stylish line of summer wear or custom-made furniture. I think oil is enough, and you don't need a hard sell.
( Hoge article )
