monk222: (Rainy: by snorkle_c)

“I thought the crossing was the worst thing in my life,” she said, sitting on the front step of her home in a village outside of Puebla. “We saw human bones and clothes in the desert. There were robbers there, who would rape the girls and take all the money they could. I thought that had to be worst. Now, I have this.”

-- Marc Lacey, "Mexican Migrants Carry H.I.V. Home", in The New York Times

It was thought that any transmission of disease through Mexican migrants would be from Mexico to here, but it looks like the U.S. is more of the contaminant when it comes to AIDS:

Migrant workers like him go to the United States with dreams of new prosperity, hoping to bring back dollars. But some are bringing back something else as well, H.I.V. and AIDS, which they are spreading in the rural parts of Mexico least prepared to handle the epidemic.

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monk222: (Rainy: by snorkle_c)

“I thought the crossing was the worst thing in my life,” she said, sitting on the front step of her home in a village outside of Puebla. “We saw human bones and clothes in the desert. There were robbers there, who would rape the girls and take all the money they could. I thought that had to be worst. Now, I have this.”

-- Marc Lacey, "Mexican Migrants Carry H.I.V. Home", in The New York Times

It was thought that any transmission of disease through Mexican migrants would be from Mexico to here, but it looks like the U.S. is more of the contaminant when it comes to AIDS:

Migrant workers like him go to the United States with dreams of new prosperity, hoping to bring back dollars. But some are bringing back something else as well, H.I.V. and AIDS, which they are spreading in the rural parts of Mexico least prepared to handle the epidemic.

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monk222: (Rainy: by snorkle_c)

Robert Putnam has a new study on the effects of immigration that shows that there are significant short-term and medium-term costs to such social change:

Putnam’s study reveals that immigration and diversity not only reduce social capital between ethnic groups, but also within the groups themselves. Trust, even for members of one’s own race, is lower, altruism and community cooperation rarer, friendships fewer. The problem isn’t ethnic conflict or troubled racial relations, but withdrawal and isolation. Putnam writes: “In colloquial language, people living in ethnically diverse settings appear to ‘hunker down’—that is, to pull in like a turtle.”

... Diversity does not produce “bad race relations,” Putnam says. Rather, people in diverse communities tend “to withdraw even from close friends, to expect the worst from their community and its leaders, to volunteer less, give less to charity and work on community projects less often, to register to vote less, to agitate for social reform more, but have less faith that they can actually make a difference, and to huddle unhappily in front of the television.” Putnam adds a crushing footnote: his findings “may underestimate the real effect of diversity on social withdrawal.”
Mind you, Mr. Putnam is not some right-wing reactionary. Apparently, he has been holding back on releasing his study for fear of its effects on the ongoing immigration debate, and he first wants to be able to offer proposals about countering the negative effects of immigration on communities. Moreover, he does believe that such diversity is beneficial in the long-term. But you can see why immigration is a hot-button issue.


(Source: John Leo for City Journal)

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monk222: (Rainy: by snorkle_c)

Robert Putnam has a new study on the effects of immigration that shows that there are significant short-term and medium-term costs to such social change:

Putnam’s study reveals that immigration and diversity not only reduce social capital between ethnic groups, but also within the groups themselves. Trust, even for members of one’s own race, is lower, altruism and community cooperation rarer, friendships fewer. The problem isn’t ethnic conflict or troubled racial relations, but withdrawal and isolation. Putnam writes: “In colloquial language, people living in ethnically diverse settings appear to ‘hunker down’—that is, to pull in like a turtle.”

... Diversity does not produce “bad race relations,” Putnam says. Rather, people in diverse communities tend “to withdraw even from close friends, to expect the worst from their community and its leaders, to volunteer less, give less to charity and work on community projects less often, to register to vote less, to agitate for social reform more, but have less faith that they can actually make a difference, and to huddle unhappily in front of the television.” Putnam adds a crushing footnote: his findings “may underestimate the real effect of diversity on social withdrawal.”
Mind you, Mr. Putnam is not some right-wing reactionary. Apparently, he has been holding back on releasing his study for fear of its effects on the ongoing immigration debate, and he first wants to be able to offer proposals about countering the negative effects of immigration on communities. Moreover, he does believe that such diversity is beneficial in the long-term. But you can see why immigration is a hot-button issue.


(Source: John Leo for City Journal)

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monk222: (Mori: by tiger_ace)

Victor Hanson writes on the biting incongruity in how Fatah can declaim against Hamas barbarity when they have availed themselves of the same remorseless tactics, and in how Mexico can chastise America for not being yet more open about its borders while it exacts the harshest measures against other Latin Americans who illegally cross into Mexico.

VDH )

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monk222: (Mori: by tiger_ace)

Victor Hanson writes on the biting incongruity in how Fatah can declaim against Hamas barbarity when they have availed themselves of the same remorseless tactics, and in how Mexico can chastise America for not being yet more open about its borders while it exacts the harshest measures against other Latin Americans who illegally cross into Mexico.

VDH )

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monk222: (Rainy: by snorkle_c)

Victor Davis Hanson has a nice overview of the immigration problem, taking our issues over the Mexican border as part of a global immigration problem. The First World and the Third World - when two worlds collide.

VDH column )

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monk222: (Rainy: by snorkle_c)

Victor Davis Hanson has a nice overview of the immigration problem, taking our issues over the Mexican border as part of a global immigration problem. The First World and the Third World - when two worlds collide.

VDH column )

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monk222: (Mori: by tiger_ace)

Paul Krugman gives us an eye-opening discussion on the immigration-law controversy. I used to think a guest-worker program was the answer, but he shows how that undercuts democracy's balancing institutions, having a class of non-voting laborers. Maybe we should be more focused on just having business play by its own rules and make the jobs more appealing for Americans, but as he suggests, businessmen aren't going to play that game.

Krugman )

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monk222: (Mori: by tiger_ace)

Paul Krugman gives us an eye-opening discussion on the immigration-law controversy. I used to think a guest-worker program was the answer, but he shows how that undercuts democracy's balancing institutions, having a class of non-voting laborers. Maybe we should be more focused on just having business play by its own rules and make the jobs more appealing for Americans, but as he suggests, businessmen aren't going to play that game.

Krugman )

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The Border

May. 18th, 2006 08:26 pm
monk222: (Mori: by tiger_ace)

This was posted at Politicartoons. It is just so evocative of some of the passions surrounding our immigration debates these days. I mean take a look at that Latina in the white top: how irrational do you have to be not to want to welcome that with open arms!?

GreatestJournal Free Photo Hosting

I may as well take this opportunity to tag a more constructive piece by Mr. Fareed Zakaria, giving some perspective on what had been the value for this country of generously extending the opportunity to become citizens.

Zakaria column )

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The Border

May. 18th, 2006 08:26 pm
monk222: (Mori: by tiger_ace)

This was posted at Politicartoons. It is just so evocative of some of the passions surrounding our immigration debates these days. I mean take a look at that Latina in the white top: how irrational do you have to be not to want to welcome that with open arms!?

GreatestJournal Free Photo Hosting

I may as well take this opportunity to tag a more constructive piece by Mr. Fareed Zakaria, giving some perspective on what had been the value for this country of generously extending the opportunity to become citizens.

Zakaria column )

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monk222: (Monkey Dreams)

“Not only will it [massive deportation] work, but one can easily estimate how long it would take. If it took the Germans less than four years to rid themselves of 6 million Jews, many of whom spoke German and were fully integrated into German society, it couldn't possibly take more than eight years to deport 12 million illegal aliens, many of whom don't speak English and are not integrated into American society.”

-- Vox Day

Yeah, but the fascist Germans were so much more efficient at this kind of people management. But the dream lives! What makes this more interesting is that Vox Day is arguing against the use of a fence. He is a self-styled Christian libertarian, and a Mensa dude to boot if you can imagine!

(Courtesy of the Andrew Sullivan blog.)

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monk222: (Monkey Dreams)

“Not only will it [massive deportation] work, but one can easily estimate how long it would take. If it took the Germans less than four years to rid themselves of 6 million Jews, many of whom spoke German and were fully integrated into German society, it couldn't possibly take more than eight years to deport 12 million illegal aliens, many of whom don't speak English and are not integrated into American society.”

-- Vox Day

Yeah, but the fascist Germans were so much more efficient at this kind of people management. But the dream lives! What makes this more interesting is that Vox Day is arguing against the use of a fence. He is a self-styled Christian libertarian, and a Mensa dude to boot if you can imagine!

(Courtesy of the Andrew Sullivan blog.)

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monk222: (Noir Detective)

"I say let the prisoners pick the fruits."

-- Representative Dana Rohrabacher

And if that's not enough, we can bring back that good ol' peculiar institution and just pick up some more darkies off the streets.

A lot of Republicans enjoy such a philosophical advantage having a basic worldview with clear, simple answers. It must be nice to be able to divide the world between rich white people and those walking, talking things.

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monk222: (Noir Detective)

"I say let the prisoners pick the fruits."

-- Representative Dana Rohrabacher

And if that's not enough, we can bring back that good ol' peculiar institution and just pick up some more darkies off the streets.

A lot of Republicans enjoy such a philosophical advantage having a basic worldview with clear, simple answers. It must be nice to be able to divide the world between rich white people and those walking, talking things.

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monk222: (DarkSide: by spiraling_down)

The biggest lesson we should have learned about immigration is this: As long as there are lots of unskilled jobs in the United States that pay much better than jobs in Latin America or Southeast Asia, and as long as immigrants can fill them, immigrants will get here, somehow -- legally or illegally. Some will risk their lives getting here. And as long as they can buy fake documents saying they’re here legally, their employers will be able to say “Don’t blame me!"

So what’s the answer? There’s no simple solution but one major step is to enforce basic labor laws that require employers to pay all their employees the minimum wage and protect their health and safety.


-- Robert B. Reich for The American Prospect

Get tough with the big employers? LOL. Mr. Reich understands that is not likely to happen. One wonders how successful the government can be getting draconian on the illegal migrants - full walls and hard criminal sanctions. There have been some flirtations with that kind of tough treatment lately, but it has yet to be tried in earnest, something like the Israeli wall. Terrorists, or the poor - is there a real difference?

We brought up the violent French riots, and it seems only fair to acknowledge that America has seen some mass demonstrations over the proposed immigration legislation, though we lack that 'storm the Bastille' zeal of the French (as they seem to be much more ferocious against their own government or the Americans, but not so much so against the likes of a Hitler or terrorists). The issues are related though: trying to control the spiraling costs of public services and protections.

It is interesting to see our governments trying to get in front of developing problems before they explode into serious crises. It is not surprising to see how feeble they are at it. The virtue of democracy is that governments are sensitive to stepping on the toes of its electors, but that is also a handicap.

Reich article )

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monk222: (DarkSide: by spiraling_down)

The biggest lesson we should have learned about immigration is this: As long as there are lots of unskilled jobs in the United States that pay much better than jobs in Latin America or Southeast Asia, and as long as immigrants can fill them, immigrants will get here, somehow -- legally or illegally. Some will risk their lives getting here. And as long as they can buy fake documents saying they’re here legally, their employers will be able to say “Don’t blame me!"

So what’s the answer? There’s no simple solution but one major step is to enforce basic labor laws that require employers to pay all their employees the minimum wage and protect their health and safety.


-- Robert B. Reich for The American Prospect

Get tough with the big employers? LOL. Mr. Reich understands that is not likely to happen. One wonders how successful the government can be getting draconian on the illegal migrants - full walls and hard criminal sanctions. There have been some flirtations with that kind of tough treatment lately, but it has yet to be tried in earnest, something like the Israeli wall. Terrorists, or the poor - is there a real difference?

We brought up the violent French riots, and it seems only fair to acknowledge that America has seen some mass demonstrations over the proposed immigration legislation, though we lack that 'storm the Bastille' zeal of the French (as they seem to be much more ferocious against their own government or the Americans, but not so much so against the likes of a Hitler or terrorists). The issues are related though: trying to control the spiraling costs of public services and protections.

It is interesting to see our governments trying to get in front of developing problems before they explode into serious crises. It is not surprising to see how feeble they are at it. The virtue of democracy is that governments are sensitive to stepping on the toes of its electors, but that is also a handicap.

Reich article )

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