Meme Announcement

[monk222]

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Monk has seen a resurgence of that meme whereby one enables the option for anonymous replies in a post, so that others may freely express whatever they want about the poster.

One supposes that this affords the opportunity for growth and learning, airing out what might otherwise stay repressed. It is an opportunity for honesty and the deepening of understanding. It is a chance to grow closer.

I just want to say that Monk is not going to do that and it will never happen.

Thank you! :)

Comments

[beentothemoon.livejournal.com]

the phrase "Asking For Trouble" comes to mind, and I think you are wise in avoiding it.

[hardblue.livejournal.com]

My motive force is more fear than wisdom, but I love the thought, thanks!

[hewet-ka-ptah.livejournal.com]

Hee!!

[hardblue.livejournal.com]

I really like your new icon here. I think it's my favorite.

[queensugar.livejournal.com]

That's okay. I said my piece about you in MY anonymous post. ;)

I still think that comment was you.

[hardblue.livejournal.com]

Oh, I think I see what you're talking about! ;)

Thanks sweetie! I joke with the 'loser' line, because I don't believe anybody is a loser, as we are all waging the good struggle in life - just adopting the crude identification that our more hipster, hard-driving sort might use, with a little tone of regret. Accordingly, it's no wonder why I stick by you, as you are one of the most vital wonders in my withdrawn life. And ulterior motives is something you don't have to worry about, as I'll probably never get outside my head - a solipsistic wonderland, a wonderful dream...

[queensugar.livejournal.com]

AWW!! GROUP HUG!!!!

[hardblue.livejournal.com]

Hmm, even in cyberspace you won't trust me with a one-on-one hug, even though you know I cannot be harboring ulterior motives!?
;)

[queensugar.livejournal.com]

Stop ruining the moment.

[newkanada.livejournal.com]

Hrmmm.

[hardblue.livejournal.com]

Mmmmm.

I'm sorry that you are so restless. You seem to be hankering for real life, rather than college life. For most of us it's the other way around.

Try to enjoy the freedom, Alane! Work and bills will come soon enough, and you still probably won't have the luxury of spending a lot of time reading what you want anyway. At least now you have 12 novels to read, if I recall correctly (as I wonder whether "Magic Mountain" is one).

[newkanada.livejournal.com]

If I truly want to be an independent person, I need a job and an apartment before an education.

[hardblue.livejournal.com]

In our advanced, complex society, one is probably better putting off independence for completing education, or else you might find yourself trapped in a lifestyle that otherwise would be below you. This is why people get heavily in debt for their education. It's something better to take care of as soon as you can. It's only a little while more, even if you decide on graduate school.

[newkanada.livejournal.com]

What have you done with your education, Monk?

[hardblue.livejournal.com]

I use it in my reading and writing and in my reasoning, and in discussions like this.

I don't have ambitions to be 'somebody' in society, and I'm not looking to be a writer. Nor am I unhappy or restless with my life. Age may be a big factor in this, but I accept my life.

If you value being independent so much, you will do better with your college education than without one. It's a basic fact, though not an absolute fact.

[newkanada.livejournal.com]

I think my main point is that I don't want to end up with a great education, but no job, living with my parents, etc., and with no hope for a decent future.

[hardblue.livejournal.com]

Sure, but without a college education, you are more likely to be limited in your future.

[queensugar.livejournal.com]

The only thing that limits someone is themselves. Furthermore, if you don't get a degree, chances are it's because your ideal job doesn't require than you get one, so it's not so limiting after all.

[hardblue.livejournal.com]

Furthermore, if you don't get a degree, chances are it's because your ideal job doesn't require than you get one, so it's not so limiting after all.

That's a happy case indeed, and I hope it's yours. I cannot believe it is the more common case for people who don't get a degree.

Moreover, as far as the notion of the 'ideal job' goes, I'm even inclined to the yet bleaker view that too few people, educated and uneducated, get to enjoy that situation. The main promise about education is the opportunity to earn more money, with the thought being that that at least tends to make one happier, or at least more secure and comfortable.

[newkanada.livejournal.com]

Monk, you have to have a balance in order to be a complete person and nothing anyone says will refute that fact. I don't want to graduate with a degree and not know what to do in the world. I want tastes, adventure, a complete volume of knowledge, if you will. Education is pathetic if you aren't rational enough to function in the real world. We LIVE in a world. We don't live just in our minds or in books.

[hardblue.livejournal.com]

Yes, but there's no reason why you cannot experience the world with an education. The two aren't mutually exclusive by any means. I'm afraid you may be making too much of my own personal circumstances, but I'm not the normal case of the college educated person - and perhaps not the normal case under any circumstances.

But it's not like I'm trying to coerce you to complete your education. I was merely adding my voice to those others who I imagine may be telling you the same thing - to stick it out.

If college is making you that unhappy, then I can certainly understand why you would leave it.

[newkanada.livejournal.com]

I know there is NO REASON. I think you are mistaken in assuming that I'm quitting school altogether when I am, in fact, not at all. I want to take a semester off to earn money and establish myself so I can do what I want education-wise. No one else is telling me otherwise, only you.

College is not making me unhappy. It's my lack of real life experience that is.

[hardblue.livejournal.com]

I did think the debate had taken a life of its own, increasingly detached from the personal circumstances in which it originated.

This plan sounds reasonable. And I hope it works. I had the impression that you were feeling tempted to junk it all, in favor of diving into real life experience, and I was just throwing in my vote to hold off on that diving for a little while.

I'm sorry if there was any misunderstanding.

[newkanada.livejournal.com]

Without real life experience, you get NOTHING.

[queensugar.livejournal.com]

Not to jump in on this debate, but I'm with newkanada. People get heavily in debt for education because they are afraid of losing something they've never really sought. The proverbial rat race is bullshit if you choose to see it as what it is. To really know where you fit in in the world, you have to get out and experience it.

[hardblue.livejournal.com]

But you know the general patterns as well as I do. Obviously, one can succeed without the college education (just as one can obviously fail with one), but it is more exceptional. You have spoken of the pattern of how others go into the writing business from college snagging those $60,000 positions off the bat. Maybe that's not fair, but that's the way it works in today's advanced economy.

If one is just a little struggling short of accomplishing that education, it is the better advice to complete that struggle. One can then go out and experience the world with that degree under one's belt.

I can't imagine this is controversial in any other 'salon.' I thought, if anything, I was just handing out old truisms, not being able to think of anything better to say. *shrugs*

[queensugar.livejournal.com]

It depends on your definition of success. In the end, I'm accomplishing a fuller life than any wage-slave who went straight from university to some desk job. I'm frustrated that some doors are shut. But as you can see, not frustrated enough to force me to sit through it, and hell for us up here in Canada, school's basically free compared to what Americans are paying.

You needn't sit here and tell me "the way it works in an advanced economy," since quite frankly I think I'm quite familiar with it. Perhaps more familiar than you are, yes?

Life begins after university. And a lot of us make the conscious choice to embrace experience.

NOTHING when it comes to life direction is a truism, Monk. The only ultimate direction is what makes you happy and where you feel most fulfilled. But there is absolutely no reason to raise the idea of university education so high.

[newkanada.livejournal.com]

NOTHING when it comes to life direction is a truism, Monk. The only ultimate direction is what makes you happy and where you feel most fulfilled.

True dat.

[hardblue.livejournal.com]

NOTHING when it comes to life direction is a truism, Monk.

But you understand what I mean in speaking of the general patterns when it comes to education and opportunities, I trust.

Are you not familiar with the proposition that more education generally means more opportunity in our advanced economy??