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Monk is still around, though he has been quiet. He's been a little busier at the adult communities, flying with his new ability to post images. Friendlier to a general audience, he did post the following debate.

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"But Fox isn't exactly pursuing a stealth strategy: anyone who can't figure out that it's in the tank with the Republican party must be brain dead."

-- Frank Rich for The New York Times

Of course, it also may be said that it's no secret that Mr. Rich is rather liberal, and many argue that the Times is biased - paper of record or not. But Rich doesn't pretend to be an objective analyst, and the Times does work on trying to maintain the high road of journalistic excellence (laugh if you must).

There is now a petition before the FTC to have Fox News cease and desist from using their noted/infamous slogan: Fair and Balanced. Yes, this petition is being put forward by MoveOn.org and Common Cause, and the Fox News spokeswoman is probably right that this is more of a "transparent publicity stunt" than anything else, perhaps another attempt at some electioneering.

Yet, Fox News presents itself as objective, non-partisan journalism, and in trying to trademark that "Fair and Balnaced" slogan, the Independent Media Institute countered, ' "fair and balanced" is so prevalent as to be generic, and is "entirely mis-descriptive" when it comes to Fox News.'

For debate: Is it not clear by now that Fox News is not on a journalistic par with CNN and MSNBC, and that Fox News is as much an organ of the Republican Party as it is a journalistic outlet?

I believe that, although it may go a little too far to call Fox the al-Jazeera of the West, it is more politically interested than journalistically objective. I flirt with the theory that Fox was created out of the somewhat mistaken impression that CNN was more like the Clinton News Network rather than objective journalism, and in trying to counter that bogeyman, they became what they were fighting against - a biased, politically interested news organ.

But, more importantly, what say you?

Date: 2004-07-20 08:53 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] hewet-ka-ptah.livejournal.com
FoxNews is propanda television. Continuous snark on any Democrat around, absolutely biased.

Hate them.

Date: 2004-07-20 08:59 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] hardblue.livejournal.com
That's my thought, too, but people can believe anything, High-Roller!

Date: 2004-07-20 09:07 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] repliform.livejournal.com
At this point I don't really believe any of the news stations.... isn't that sad? I'm really starting to go down the "Everything's a Conspiracy" path.

Date: 2004-07-21 06:07 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] hardblue.livejournal.com
The world is crazy enough that anything can seem possible. And I guess that news is really just politics in yet another form, which is rather sad.

So, it's important to just take our joys when we can find them, heh.

Date: 2004-07-20 09:14 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] queensugar.livejournal.com
Just from skimming those replies, I'm realizing all over again why I can't stand that community. I just have no energy for wrassling with the asshats anymore.

And as I've said before, I'm thankful I don't get Fox News here, because if I did I know I'd end up smashing my television, and a new television is something that I can't afford.

Date: 2004-07-20 09:16 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] queensugar.livejournal.com
By the by, I'm still reeling in shock over the guy who apparently believes that we found weapons of mass destruction, and Hussein was linked to September 11th, and that "those are the facts, idiot."

Gee, I wonder why American media is so fucked up.

Date: 2004-07-21 06:15 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] hardblue.livejournal.com
I know what you mean about the community, but I still find it rather addicting. I've actually thought about how you can have a strong community life there, if you didn't have better things to do. You can be such an aggressive fighter and you can give better than you get - taking them on both personally as well as substantively. But I can certainly understand how one doesn't want to fall into that sinkhole, especially if you have anything better to do, like get a bloodletting or having tooth-extraction work done without any anesthetic!

Date: 2004-07-21 08:25 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] queensugar.livejournal.com
You can be such an aggressive fighter and you can give better than you get - taking them on both personally as well as substantively

The one comment I was dying to make to the abovementioned asshat was this:

"Yeah, I agree with you completely! I don't need things like proof or direct connections to know when someone's guilty or not. I can't stand these liberals that are always harping about finding evidence! Why are we even having a 9-11 Investigation anyway? EVERYONE knows what happened. I don't see why we need "direct connections" to prove it."

I decided not to. I just don't have the energy for flamewars... it takes a lot out of me, and it also tends to make me very hateful. :P

Date: 2004-07-20 09:43 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] wellreadmenace.livejournal.com
The thing I've never really understood is why people think CNN is "liberal".

Date: 2004-07-21 06:20 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] hardblue.livejournal.com
I have some trouble with that, too. The comeback is that we are blinded by our own beliefs/prejudices: it looks neutral to us because that's the way we think ourselves. I can sense some liberal tinctures. But I still fervently believe that there is real journalistic professionalism in outlets like CNN, and that Fox News is more consciously partisan. Though, I gather that you don't catch Fox News up there, and so you can't make your own call. This is just some American sniping we have over our media.

Date: 2004-07-21 02:04 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] wellreadmenace.livejournal.com
I've given up on believing that REAL nuetrality is possible, but leaving that aside, from my perspective I see CNN as right-leaning... though not as much as Fox, which I have the dubious privilege to watch thanks to my parent's cable package. Fox really does disgust me, to be honest... while CNN may be a product of a right-leaning american culture, I have to agree that Fox is very conscious of what they are doing.

Date: 2004-07-21 03:23 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] hardblue.livejournal.com
CNN as right-leaning... it is nice to get a perspective from outside of America. I don't think anyone could've said anything like that in our American-dominated Debate forum without being killed and dimissed as something wholly estranged from Reality. LOL!

Thanks for the perspective! I think you are probably right.

Date: 2004-07-21 06:24 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] wellreadmenace.livejournal.com
haha, in that group I'd likely be flamed to a crisp!

Date: 2004-07-21 08:30 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] queensugar.livejournal.com
I agree with Derek, I've ALWAYS said I thought CNN was right leaning and I'm not ashamed to admit it. It is inherently biased towards this big bombastic right-wing sense of American culture. It also neutralizes a valid left voice, it just does so more subtly than Fox does.

In some ways it ebbs and flows a bit with the tide... right now, I'm sure it's getting attacked for all the coverage of the Kerry/Edwards campaign... but that's more sensationalism, less neutrality or liberal bias.

Date: 2004-07-21 08:48 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] hardblue.livejournal.com
And people say that Americans and the English are two peoples divided by a common language. It sounds like this can be said anent the Canadians as well (the English-speaking ones, of course - a lot divides us and the French, beyond language, heh).

Date: 2004-07-21 08:54 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] queensugar.livejournal.com
Yeah, a lot divides even us English speaking Canadians from us French ones...

I wish you got Time Canada, there were some very great articles in last week's about the new government.

I'm still plugging to get this book Fire and Ice: The United States, Canada, and the Myth of Converging Interests (or something to that effect). I've been skimming through it a bit at it has a lot of fascinating facts and figures in it.

Check out this link for more:

http://www.penguin.ca/shared/SharedFrame?0CS^PRE144662_0_0

Take the survey too (linked in the first paragraph), it's fun.

Date: 2004-07-21 09:08 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] queensugar.livejournal.com
More links about that book:

http://www.theglobalist.com/DBWeb/StoryId.aspx?StoryId=3501 (an interesting article by the author)

http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0627/p02s01-woam.htm

http://www.rabble.ca/in_their_own_words.shtml?sh_itm=e7f7fba84d1e538f52b443945fb5bd2c&r=1

This last one is good because it touches on the sudden and greatly delayed epiphany I had regarding lack of health care as being a root of subconscious, and very real, triggering of basic survival instincts that I suspect cause so much of some of the social problems with you guys...

"A colleague of mine likes to explain how you could always tell the difference between the Americans and the Canadians when he was in graduate school in Chicago.

The Americans were extremely job-conscious, always concerned with their ranking in the department and how it would affect them on the academic job market. The Canadians, in contrast, had a much more blasé attitude toward the “professional” aspects of their degree; many of them planned on traveling or taking time off after graduation.

What explains this difference? As my colleague sees it, there is one fundamental factor: the day the Americans graduate is the day they have no medical insurance. No job, no healthcare."

Date: 2004-07-21 09:13 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] hardblue.livejournal.com
Ah, I found it...

We actually touched upon it once. (http://www.blurty.com/talkread.bml?journal=monkey_knight&itemid=114755)

Date: 2004-07-21 09:14 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] queensugar.livejournal.com
I know, I bring it up often, strange for a book I haven't read. I just want to share more of the bits and pieces I've read of it with you...

Date: 2004-07-21 09:16 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] hardblue.livejournal.com
Sounds good to me. The subject has somehow become interesting to me...

Date: 2004-07-21 09:28 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] queensugar.livejournal.com
You should buy the book! I'll start you a race to see which of us can read it first. :)

I think a lot about it too. And I think that's because while a huge number of Canadians define themselves as, well, "NOT American," I think that that statement is covering up something deeper. And despite the fearsome rise of the Conservative Party, I still think that there are very pronounced differences... perhaps, too, differences that can't really be put onto the political spectrum. I think that there is something unique and very subtle here in the way the culture has come up.

So I spend a lot of time thinking about it.

Date: 2004-07-21 09:29 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] queensugar.livejournal.com
As a side note, I suppose the best way to put it would be, I spend a lot of time searching for the definition of what is Canadian, because I want to know how it defines myself, and to what part my connection to this country (and it is very deep, as I know you've gathered) is a part of that greater whole.

Date: 2004-07-21 09:24 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] hardblue.livejournal.com
By the way, in case you missed it, I had provided a link to when that book had come up in our discussions. I want to make this clear, because it took some effort for me to find it, heh.

Date: 2004-07-21 09:26 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] queensugar.livejournal.com
Yeah, I read through and had a good chuckle at how violent some of those old discussions got...

Date: 2004-07-22 07:20 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] hardblue.livejournal.com
I don't really want to get back into our old violent discussions, and you know how my dream society veers more in the kind of society that Canada is closer to, with it's universal healthcare and everything, but I want to at least note a difference between America and Canada that I didn't sense was being caught in your links.

This is the difference that America has to be the guarantor of security in the region and the world. This is a harder onus than I think is appreciated by countries that can just take it for granted. We've gone over the ground enough, and I gather that you don't buy it at all, but I just wanted to note it for the record.

Date: 2004-07-22 10:53 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] queensugar.livejournal.com
Quite frankly, I'm not in the mood. You know I vehemently disagree with this outlook, and there's really nothing more to be gained from it.

At any rate, we're not talking about political differences, but social ones.

Date: 2004-07-21 08:28 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] queensugar.livejournal.com
The thing is, I don't see it as being neutral, I see it as being another excersize in shallow, flag-waving egocentric bullshit packaged as real news. CNN is one of the biggest pieces of horseshit I've ever watched. The only people worth watching on that channel are Paul Begala, Christiane Amanpour, and on a very rare occasion Judy Woodruff. The rest is just a bunch of tripe... Anderson Cooper 360 is tabloid junk that has no place on a "news" channel. The morning show is embarassingly corny. And their excuse for political reporting is basically a big comfort blanket for Congress. :P

Date: 2004-07-21 08:50 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] hardblue.livejournal.com
If you watched Fox News, you'd have a new respect and love for CNN, lol.

Date: 2004-07-21 09:01 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] queensugar.livejournal.com
Oh, believe me, I've read enough transcripts to have the idea. :P

I wish you guys could get CBC Newsworld, though I'm sure it would be seen as basically a Communist invasion given the political skew of the times.

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